Interview with Chris Anderson, Author of “The Long Tail”
To coincide with the preparation for the coming panel “Future of the Web” in Nexus 2007, I have managed to get Chris Anderson, author of the book “The Long Tail” and editor of Wired magazine for a short 30 minutes interview. Throughout the interview, Chris Anderson will share with us his thoughts and insights about the impact of the long tail economy and its implication to the Singapore economy. As an added bonus for our readers and those who are attending my panel in the Nexus 2007 conference, he has provided me one burning question to quiz our four panellists from Yahoo!, Google, SalesForce.com and Amazon.
BL: Hi Chris, thank you for accepting this interview. To start off, how did you come about exploring the concept of the long tail in the famous article you wrote in Wired Magazine?
Chris Anderson: As Wired editor, one of my jobs is to give speeches and speculate new economic trends which will be important to emerging industries.
In order for me to provide insights on trends, I started collecting and analyzing data that I was able to get from different companies. At that point, I was looking at a dataset from the online music retailer Rhapsody, which is a subscription-based streaming service owned by RealNetworks, and this company offered more than 1.5 million tracks (now more than 3 million).
When I started plotting the number of downloads (vertical axis) versus the rank of the music track (horizontal axis), I found that the shape of the curve looks an “L” which is indistinguishable from the axes themselves. However, that’s because the sales of the #1 track has stretched the vertical axes and the huge number of titles has stretched the horizontal axis. But if you delete the top 100, you can see that there the structure of the remaining titles. Virtually every single track will have downloads. By examining the curve, you would find that it corresponds to the Pareto distribution, often used to study network effects in complexity theories. That curve is the long tail.
BL: What are the crucial features in the long tail that sets it apart from traditional internet business models?
Chris Anderson: First, the underlying principle of the long tail is that our culture and economy are increasingly shifting away from just a small number of its at the head of the demand curve and move toward a huge number of niches in the tail of the curve. The next dimension of the long tail effect is that the costs of reaching those niches is falling dramatically. As a result, the forces such as digital distribution and power search technologies, can drive demand down to serve millions of niche markets.
For example, we used to have niche physical fashion boutiques that only reach out to a limited audience, given the geographical constraints and lack of access. Hence the system to reach these niche markets is inefficient. However, the creation of the internet helps to increase the efficiency by allowing consumers to have easier access that breaks the geographical barrier and lowering distribution costs.
With the latent diversity of different tastes and products exposed through the internet, customers are now able to access and explore new vertical markets. It is now easier for the consumers to act as guides when they start to post their reviews via blogs and pictures. The marketing of a niche product is now made easy from a bottom up approach via the grassroots movement. For example, we used to rely on Hollywood to produce the blockbusters films. With digital video cameras and video editing software, we can now produce our own grassroots blockbuster movies. Others can easily access our grassroots movies through searches using the aggregators (Amazon, iTunes, eBay) and filters (Google, TechCrunch and Engadget reviews) in the internet.
BL: Who will be the winners in a long tail economy-based model? Is it going to be the big MNCs or the small medium enterprises?
Chris Anderson: Actually, it does not matter whether it is the big MNCs or the small medium enterprises. In my opinion, there are three groups which will benefit from the long tail economy:
- 1. The aggregators and filters: The companies which create long tail market places by democratizing distribution and connecting the supply and demand (e.g. Google, Rhapsody).
- 2. The consumers: They win because they have broader and rich choice of products and services to choose from.
- 3. Niche producers: They provide the access to a larger audience or what I call the Ebay effect.
BL: If a young entrepreneur seeks your advice in riding on the long tail, what are the three important lessons in the long tail economy you will share with him or her?
Chris Anderson: The three lessons which I have emphasized with the book are: (i) make everything available, (ii) help me find it and (iii) get it out there with a low price. The biggest opportunity I see at the moment for entrepreneurs is to create new aggregators out that can create new vertical marketplaces. These vertical aggregators differ from the one size fit all type aggregator (for e.g. Google) by being optimized for niche or specialized communities.
BL: How is the long tail economy vital for content creators and distributors, particularly for a small state like Singapore?
Chris Anderson: Actually, I have been following the development of Singapore quite closely, given that my family have lived in Hong Kong and I have spent a few months in Singapore. I am aware of MDA’s i.JAM initiative and impressed with the efforts of your prime minister, Lee Hsien Loong for his policies of science and technology towards the creation of a knowledge based economy in Asia. The way I see it, the long tail is about reinforcing the diversity of culture and ideas and at the same time, recognizing the fact that you cannot predict a demand. The liberation of voices and ideas will lead to a messy and unpredictable situation in the marketplace. For example, YouTube is a chaotic television and you can see all sorts of content popping up that may not be acceptable for the Singapore government. The question or perhaps, the challenge for Singapore: is the Singapore government prepared to accept the chaotic and unrestricted ideas that emerges once the content creators and distributors are given the tools of production? I will be interested to see how the Singapore government can mitigate the inherent tension between a long tail economy and their quest for control, civil discourse and harmony.
BL: As you know that I will be moderating a panel about the long tail in a coming conference, where the panelists are formerly or presently from Yahoo!, Google, SalesForce.com and Amazon and based in the Asia-Pacific region, what is the question you like to pose to them?
Chris Anderson: My sense is that the panelists, given their experience in the Asia-Pacific region will see Asia as the demand side for the products and services from the global market (or western market). For example, I talk about the cricket diaspora in my blog, where the cricket sport is readily available on TV in Singapore, India and Pakistan but practically invisible in the United States. So, my question to them will be, “Can these companies reverse the strategy to bring niche goods or services from Asia which may have a distributed latent demand back into US and Europe? If so, what are their strategies to turn the niche markets in Asia from the demand to the supply side given their core competency as long tail aggregators and filters?”
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10 Comments, Comment or Ping
bjornlee
fantastic, but the sequel might turn out to be better. cant wait to hear the response from the Nexus panel to Chris Anderson’s own question.
Mar 21st, 2007
kenny chan
Wow!Chris updated vision of the chaotic future alone is worth listening to.
Mar 21st, 2007
Michael Cho
Wow! An interview with Chris Anderson! Nice!
Anyway, I’m assuming the bold fonts are highlighted by Chris himself?
Mar 21st, 2007
Renzhi
This interview is fantastic! Its like a trailer to Chris’ The Long Tail! I’have been wanting to read this book for some time! Gona GRAB it now! haha..
Cant wait for NEXUS 2007!! EXCITING!
Cheers,
RZ
Mar 21st, 2007
BL
Michael,
I highlighted the main points which Chris spoke over the interview. :)
Thanks for the note.
Bjorn,
Yes, I have emailed the question to all the panelists for my panel. So, they should be prepared for the question… That’s the sequel.
Mar 21st, 2007
cray
“What are the crucial features in the long tail that sets it apart from traditional internet business models?”
rofl, the long tail is the “traditional” Internet business model.
the panel should be entertaining ;)
Mar 22nd, 2007
Harro!
Chandra right. Long ago before the internet existed, there were only lots of niche businesses.
During the pre-internet age, large companies formed and dominated through operational efficiency and economies of scale.
When the internet arrived, large companies found it even easier to dominate, because they controlled the media and products. That is why 80-20 rule exists. Its true, 80% of wealth is controlled by 20% of people. Maybe in Singapore it’s like 90-10.
Sure, there were a few dotcom made it during the dotboom, but they exist because they provide a service that people want, that traditional large companies didn’t provide. (eg. free email, auction, online news, dating, jobboards, search etc..)
The arrival of social media is the empowerment of individuals (and small business) with similar media technology that will drive first eyeballs, followed by products and services. (preferably electronic products, but social media indicates localised distribution is possible.)
However, also bear in mind, what while we are all talking about this, Mustafa is making more money in one day than what all singapore dotcoms make in one year.
Mustafa understands the long tail too, but doesn’t do business online.
The longer your tail, the more effort is needed. The longer your tail, makes the online presence suitable. How long does your tail need to be for you to make any money? How many tails can singapore accomodate?
In essence, the long tail is a great concept, but it has very little meaning in a controlled economy.
Please feel free to pose these questions to the panel.
The real disruption of social media is the concept of ‘eating your own bread’. Your space (your blog) belongs to you. Its creating eyeball flow disruption. Its introducing niche products. This driving other dangerous thoughts, that if you could own your own “space” maybe you could own your own business, maybe own your own products.
Social Media is facilitating the long tail of ‘ideas’. This is the value of the long tail in Singapore. This is the disruption we should keep an eye out for….
Ideas are dangerous things for a society than wants control. But this long tail of ideas is the x-factor (multiplier) to the Singapore economy. (Its the transformation that Singapore needs to become a nordic economy.)
Are you required to do anything about? Probably not. Its possible to outsource this long tail of ‘ideas’ quite easily unless you are expected to execute it. :)
Mar 22nd, 2007
wonderdoggy
nice comments and articles. Just to be more precise here, the online advertising market in Singapore is probabaly closer to 25-30M annually. It is definitely much more than what Mustafa makes in a day. I believe their annual turnover is 300+M or about 1M a day max.
Actually this is the problem I face when dealing with people, a lack of precision in the numbers we use. I am not being anal here but numbers make all the difference in business.
Mar 22nd, 2007
Harro!
1) When we bring Mustafa up, its for the purpose of long tail comparisons. Usually, we compare apple-to-apple. For Mustafa, we should compare against e-Bay, shopping sites, and I still believe (without factual figures) that Mustafa makes more than the sum total of singapore online retailers.
2) Note that Mustafa was chosen as the example in this long tail scenario because they seem to stock anything and everything.
3) If we take into consideration all physical retailers, then retailers win hands down.
4) We can consider Ad inventory as products, but then we should start comparing such companies to newspapers/magazine/publishers etc…
5) Singapore’s total ad spend is reaching 2billion/year. The 30m is about 5 days worth of off-line spending.
6) Small is still small regardless of how many ways we look at it.
7) Precision of numbers is definitely important and especially more so for small outfits like startups.
Mar 22nd, 2007
Harro!
I would also like to add, than online ad spend is actually more than 30m/year for Singapore.
I don’t have factual figures on the online ad spend. But agencies spend on average 1-10% on online media.
Also note that small today doesn’t mean small tomorrow. Online ad spending has consistently seen CAGR of 20-30% for quite a number of years.
Mar 22nd, 2007
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